Historian’s Report April 2016 by TFA Historian/Genealogist, Patricia Thayer Muno:
Our second printing of my 812 page Volume V of A Comprehensive Genealogy of the Thayer Family of America – Descendants of Thomas Thayer, Immigrant to America 1637- Through His Grandsons, Jonathan 3 and Thomas (Ferdinando2, Thomas1) has been published and is now at the bindery and will be ready for mailing about the 3rd week in April to those who have sent their pre-orders. We are excited to be able to share this important volume as it has been the single most requested of the projected eleven volumes in the “Comprehensive Genealogy” series. If you missed the order form for the currently available books of the Comprehensive, please send me an E-mail at: TriciaMuno@aol.com; or write me at: 3618 North 225 East, North Ogden, UT 84414.
From TQ Editor, Rick Thayer: “Tricia–Vol. 2, Nathaniel, page 28, #273, Shirley Sampson Thayer – you have ‘She married.’ The TQ Summer 2006, page 13, Frances M. Russo Thayer article has Shirley Thayer as a male, who married Frances M. Russo.” Thank you for this correction Rick!
Speaking of confusion of Thayer names, new insight has come about relative to a number of Frederick D. Thayer individuals. A check on Ancestry.com has shown that some owners of Family Trees there seem to use Ancestry’s incredible feature of suggesting possible sources much like a cafeteria line! By this I mean it appears that the owner of a family tree can pick and choose whatever information they feel applies to the individuals in their respective family trees. BEWARE! This can be a very dangerous habit to fall into. Also, it is not uncommon for owners of family trees on Ancestry (and elsewhere) to copy another individual’s family tree, which, of course saves a lot of time, but it also results in the perpetuating of erroneous information! Always be sure to check primary and original sources first!
In such a case, I relate the instance of some Ancestry.com Family Trees containing information on FOUR different Frederick Thayers. Two of these Fred Thayers had the same middle initial “D.” Both Fred D. Thayers were born the exact same year, in the exact same county of the exact same state! Talk about confusion for the untrained eye!
The other Frederick Thayers were also closely related in geographical area and time periods and their information was also scrambled! In my attempt to clarify what correct information belonged to which Fred Thayer, new information came to light regarding Frederick Duell Thayer, and I share with you here some additional information and corrected notes which can be printed out and inserted in your Comprehensive Genealogy, Volume V, page 360, Family #3419:
NOTES for Frederick Duell Thayer:
BIRTH: Mass. Vit. Rec. Vol. 278, p. 21.
CENSUS: 1900 Joliet, Will, Illinois; living with uncle, Clark Fairfield Thayer.
CENSUS: 1910 Joliet, Will, Illinois, with mother and stepfather.
BUR.: Find A Grave (Oakwood Cemetery, Joliet, Will, IL)
This new research led to the finding of new and additional information of 21 direct descendants of Frederick Duell Thayer and his wife Anna Dorothea KOLLMANN, some of which was not readily available to me at the time Volume V went to press, but is now in my files.
In the instance of Frederick Duell Thayer, the marriage date, place and source information was in error in Volume V. Additionally, the 1920 census information appearing there belonged to Frederick Daniels Thayer and wife, Mary Elinor Wiley who are in Volume IV.
Such confusion of duplicate individuals highlights the need for all researchers to carefully weigh all the pertinent information and always consult original sources when available. As you can see, the difficulty in verifying individuals for whom there is a close duplication of names, dates and places makes primary sources imperative. In this instance, both men were named Frederick D. Thayer; both were born in 1876; both were born in Hampshire County, MA!!! Sorting this all out led to the finding of two other Fred Thayers whose information has been confused and incorrectly recorded on Family Trees on Ancestry. This kind of near identical information of names, dates and places of two distinctly different individuals happens more than you would think — especially in such a large family as our Thayer Family! Happy hunting everyone!
TFA Excitement is running high for the fast approaching July Thayer Family Reunion at West Point, NY. Our reunion planners and hosts, Bob and Marilyn Thayer of Mexico, NY have put forth a herculean effort to assure that this will be your most memorable and enjoyable event of the entire year! Updates of information about the reunion can be found on our ThayerFamilies.com web site.
For those who will be in attendance, please schedule time to meet with us at a Special Meeting of Membership which has been petitioned by membership to be held just prior to the July 2nd General Business Membership Meeting. You will be receiving an agenda which our TFA President will be mailing first class to all members 30+ days before our West Point gathering, as directed and set forth by TFA Bylaws.
Two items of special interest we will be: 1. The introduction and discussion of the needed Amendments to our TFA Bylaws, which are crucial for the continuation of TFA; and 2. the opportunity to meet Thayers volunteers who will be seeking board leadership positions in the general business meeting which follows the Special Meeting.
Information as to the implication and need for Bylaw Amendments can be emailed to you, if you so request, and if send to me your email address. We are greatly looking forward to seeing all of you in July! –Patricia (TriciaMuno@aol.com)
Patricia Muno’s Thayer Family Representatives
Of my 65 Thayer Family Representatives, fourteen of these devoted family members have left us for the ancestral hunting grounds beyond the veil. The obituaries of four of these dearly departed souls have recently appeared in previous editions of the Thayer Quarterly newsletter; namely:
Bessie May (Pier) Green (27 Sep 1923-27 Feb 2015): Family Representative for the descendants of Albert THAYER (1824 PA-) and Mary Ann SARGENT (1827 Canada-). Albert 8 was the son of Luke 7 (Luke 6, Jacob 5, Daniel 4, Nathaniel 3, Richard 2-1) THAYER and Hannah SILVER., Lolita Ann (Thayer) Guthrie, John Garland Thayer and Dorothy Jane (Thayer) Sharon.
Lolita Thayer Guthrie (14 Sep 1925-16 Nov 2015): Family Representative for the descendants of Spencer THAYER (1799 NY-1878 IN) and Sally BUTLER (1805 VT-1870 IN). The parentage of Spencer Thayer has never been found.
Dorothy Thayer Sharon (22 Feb 1925-25 Nov 2013): Family Representative for the descendants of George THAYER (1822 NY-1907 NY) and Jane STRICKLAND (1836 NY-1884 NY). The parentage of George Thayer has never been found.
John Garland Thayer (21 Apr 1929-30 Mar 2015): Family Representative for the descendants of Thompson THAYER (1790/1795 MA- abt 1859 IL) and Martha “Patsey” COLLINS (1800 VA-1959 IL). Thompson 7 was the son of Baruch 6 (Ebenezer 5, Uriah 4, Ebenezer 3, Ferdinando 2, Thomas 1) THAYER and Mary BINGHAM.
Perhaps unknown to others within the TFA have also been the deaths of the following of my Thayer Family Representatives (in alphabetical order):
Betty Ann Harmon Bue (3 Jan 1927-2000): Family Representative for the descendants of Moses Allen THAYER (1840 NY- 1875 IL) and Laura Eliza BARNHART (1844 Canada-1934 NH). Moses Allen 9 was the son of Otis 8 (Thaddeus 7-6, Ebenezer 5-4-3, Ferdinando 2, Thomas 1) THAYER and Sylvania IRISH.
Donald Richard Davis (31 Aug 1933- 19 Nov 2015): Family Representative for the descendants of Eli THAYER (1831 NH-1862 Civil War) and Sybil Augusta CHAMBERLAIN (1836 VT-1893 NH). Eli 8 was the son of Caleb 7 (Jeremiah 6-5, Ebenezer 4, Isaac 3, Ferdinando 2, Thomas 1) THAYER and Lydia BALDWIN.
Ann Wilson Fincher (10 Sep 1927- 7 Sep 2009): Family Representative for the descendants of Jonathan THAYER (1734 MA-1775 MA) and Abigail COLLINS (1742 CT-1800 CT). Jonathan 5 was the son of Jonathan 4 (William 3, Shadrach 2, Thomas 1) THAYER and Tabitha COOPER.
Susan Jane Gardner (27 Feb 1946 – 17 Sep 2006): Family Representative for the descendants of Bezer THAYER (1795 MA-1854 MA) and Melinda BROWN (1796 MA-1885 MA). Bezer 7 was the son of Bezer 6 (Richard 5, John 4, Richard 3-2-1) and Eunice HAYWARD.
Edwin Rudolph Johnson (7 Mar 1925-17Sep 2015): Family Representative for the descendants of Stephen THAYER (1783 MA-1852 ME) and Sophia CARLETON (1790 MA-1831 ME). Dr. Stephen 6 was the son of Samuel 5 (Samuel 4, Thomas 3, Ferdinando 2, Thomas 1) THAYER and Judith WALKER. Ed also served as a former Director in the TFA.
Charles Richard Lilly (9 Jan 1943-12 Jun 2002): Family Representative for the descendants of Lemuel THAYER (1760 MA-1833 NY) and Charity MANLEY (1763 MA- 1803). Lemuel 6 was the son of Jacob 5 (Nathaniel 4-3-2, William 1) THAYER and Sarah ______.
Bobby Andrew Newell (10 May 1943- 26 Jul 1994): Family Representative for the descendants of Lyman THAYER (1805 VT- SC) and Emeline ______ (1815 VT- ). Lyman was the son of Windsor 6 (Stephen 5, Samuel 4,Thomas 3, Ferdinando 2, Thomas 1) THAYER and Lydia _______.
Robert Curtis Steen (16 May 1930- 17 Jun 2000): (See also Cornelius G. “Case” Zwart): Family Representative for the descendants of Benjamin TAYER/THAYER of Rhode Island (born abt 1650 Rhode Island ?). Much research is needed. We are supposing Benjamin to have been a son of the Immigrant William THAYER (1605 Thornbury, Gloucestershire, England – RI).
Cleveland Harper Thayer (11 Dec 1925- about 2010): Family Representative for the descendants of William THAYER (1818 NY-1893 MI) and Zarina HAVENS (1816 NY-1888 MD). William was the son of Roswell 7 (Jonas 6, Cornelius 5 Jonathan 4, Josiah 3, Ferdinando 2, Thomas 1) THAYER and Olive PHINNEY.
Robert Henry Thayer (23 Dec 1932-18 Sep 2009): Family Representative for the descendants of Jonathan Barb Thayer THAYER (1856/1857 IN- 1947 IN) and Rozina A. TAUCHEN (1872 IL-1941 IN). Jonathan Barb 8 was the son of Charles 7 (Charles 6, Daniel 5, Samuel 4, Isaac 3, Ferdinando 2, Thomas 1) THAYER and Martha Ann HENDRICKSON.
Of these fourteen Family Representatives, I also have the obituaries of the following individuals, which will be posted on the ThayerFamilies.com web site: Donald Richard Davis, Ann Wilson Fincher, Susan Jane Gardner, Edwin Rudolph Johnson and Robert Henry Thayer. Also to be found on our Website are the names of each of my 65 Thayer Family Representatives. We salute them each and are grateful for their past service.
Excitement over the upcoming Thayer Family Reunion is at an all-time high. Those who will be in attendance, of course, have a natural curiosity with the “Father of West Point,” General Sylvanus Thayer. Many of my correspondents wish to know their exact relationship to the General, and some are confused by the terms, such as “6th cousin, 3 generations removed” (6c3r).
The following excerpts in figuring out family relationships from Genealogy.com may be helpful to our perplexed cousins:
Most people have a good understanding of basic relationship words such as “mother,” “father,” “aunt,” “uncle,” “brother,” and “sister.” But what about the relationship terms that we don’t use in everyday speech? Terms like “second cousin” and “first cousin, once removed”? We don’t tend to speak about our relationships in such exact terms (“cousin” seems good enough when you are introducing one person to another), so most of us aren’t familiar with what these words mean.
Relationship Terms: Sometimes, especially when working on your family history, it’s handy to know how to describe your family relationships more exactly. The definitions below should help you out.
Cousin (a.k.a “first cousin”): Your first cousins are the people in your family who have two of the same grandparents as you. In other words, they are the children of your aunts and uncles.
Second Cousin: Your second cousins are the people in your family who have the same great-grandparents as you., but not the same grandparents.
Third, Fourth, and Fifth Cousins: Your third cousins have the same great-great-grandparents, fourth cousins have the same great-great-great-grandparents, and so on.
Removed: When the word “removed” is used to describe a relationship, it indicates that the two people are from different generations. You and your first cousins are in the same generation (two generations younger than your grandparents), so the word “removed” is not used to describe your relationship.
The words “once removed” mean that there is a difference of one generation. For example, your mother’s first cousin is your first cousin, once removed. This is because your mother’s first cousin is one generation younger than your grandparents and you are two generations younger than your grandparents. This one-generation difference equals “once removed.” Twice removed means that there is a two-generation difference. You are two generations younger than a first cousin of your grandmother, so you and your grandmother’s first cousin are first cousins, twice removed.
Keep in mind that when working with some ancient records, the meaning of the word “cousin,” along with the meanings of other relationship terms, have changed over time.—–
There are a number of relationship charts on-line which you can use to test your newfound knowledge. Just google “Relationship Chart” and pick one that looks appealing to you. Now have fun discovering your exact relationship to other family individuals!